Should illegal aliens....

[Shannonigans]

Receive federal help as in food stamps, WIC, medicaid? Many illegals do not pay taxes, should they be allowed to use federal monies that come from the US taxpayers' paychecks?

What about legal aliens, those who aren't citizens but are legally here in the country?

[mom2burgess]

NOt illegal aliens no. Legal ones, I am thinking they should be able to recieve assistance, if they are on thier way to becoming citizcens or they only need it for a limited time

[Quamie]

I know that my friend is married to a man from Austria and they are not allowed to get Aid of ANY KIND nor are they allowed to recieve unemployement if he were to lose his job. He is on a VISA and it states that he is not to use ANY of the USA help to live. He was to come here and live by his own work or the suppor of his sponser which is his wife (my friend) SO they stress a LOT about the what ifs. He is an educated man with a Masters degree in Computer Science. But it is very hard for him to find work because WHO was going to call Austria and get his work history or educational back grown. He started off working minimal wage at Kmart and Taco bell so they could make do. Then he went to work at a Casino, and now he works as a Teacher for a private college a couple a days a week as well as working nights at a Casino. He gets the bills paid and he recieves NO assistance from the state. Even when they could have used it they did not because he could have been deported.

But to answer the first question NO I dont think ANY alien should recieve aid. If you come to this country you need to come to it ready to make a contrabution not to leach off the system. Work or go back home!

[Opus]

it is my understanding that newly arriving legal aliens have to agree to not recieve any aid for a set number of years, I could be wrong about that but it is a policy I agree with and an idea that should be enforced if it isn't now

of course you hear all the time about aliens getting assistance to start new businesses where the same assistance isnt available for citizens so I am not sure how that is allowed

I agree with others that illegal aliens should get no support of any kind ever....

as soon as an illegal is discovered they should be deported and if caught a second time should be held in jail for a set amount of time to discourage them from coming accross again...

the US is like a sponge and many believe the sponge has absorbed all it can and can't take anymore

[Jory]

I am not knowledgable about this subject at all, but what if illegal aliens come to the US, have a baby (which is now a US citizen) and then need assistance. Can they not get assistance to raise their US citizen child? Shouldn't they be able to if they can't? After all, you can say go back to your country, but the kid is a Citizen with full citizen rights. You can't separate that child from its parents, and you can't allow a child to suffer. What do you do? What is the standard procedure for this? Anyone know?

[Opus]

I am not knowledgable about this subject at all, but what if illegal aliens come to the US, have a baby (which is now a US citizen) and then need assistance. Can they not get assistance to raise their US citizen child? Shouldn't they be able to if they can't? After all, you can say go back to your country, but the kid is a Citizen with full citizen rights. You can't separate that child from its parents, and you can't allow a child to suffer. What do you do? What is the standard procedure for this? Anyone know?


there is a movement in congress to get that "right" changed so that newborns are not given citizen status, and I approve of that, since many pregnant women try death-defying actions to get into the US just to have status given to her newborn and possibly herself as the mother

to much of an incentive

deport the mother and baby after born is what I would do

if the mexican citizenry are not ahppy with their government or their lifestyles, perhaps its time they changed them by election or some other means

[Jory]

there is a movement in congress to get that "right" changed so that newborns are not given citizen status, and I approve of that, since many pregnant women try death-defying actions to get into the US just to have status given to her newborn and possibly herself as the mother

to much of an incentive

I would support that change too.

[Def.I.Nition]

there is a movement in congress to get that "right" changed so that newborns are not given citizen status, and I approve of that,

I would strongly disagree with this statement.

[Opus]

I would strongly disagree with this statement.
why?

[kingclick]

A Resolution Regarding United States Citizenship: Introduced by Representative Mark Foley (R-Fla.), HJRES59 would call for a joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.

Clarifies the Effect on the Citizenship of an Individual Born in the United States: Introduced by Representative Bob Stump (R-AZ), H.R. 190 would declare that a person born in the U.S. to a mother who is a U.S. citizen, national or immigrant and is eligible to become or is a citizen or national of a country which either of his or her natural parents is a citizen or national, is not a U.S. citizen solely by virtue of being born in the U.S.

[Def.I.Nition]

why?

Because I think that a person born here, regardless of why they are born here, should be a citizen of the United States and should have all the priveleges and rights of a United States citizen. I think discrimination against someone because their mother is not a legal citizen is unfair. We should only change the Constitution for the most pressing reasons, such as expanding liberty.

[Def.I.Nition]

no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.
This now puts the burden of proof of citizenship upside down. Currently any person born in the US is a citizen and this would make "no person born in the US a citizen" thus requiring me to proove the legitimacy of my citizenship. I think that is a bad idea.

[kingclick]

They arrived illegally. By allowing this loophole you encourage even more illegal immigration.

In one year California tax payers paid for over 60,000 illegal immigrant births.

[GracieMae]

there is a movement in congress to get that "right" changed so that newborns are not given citizen status, and I approve of that,

I'm with Opus on this one. If the mother is in this country illegally the newborn should NOT be given citizen status.

[mom2burgess]

I agree with Opus and Gracie

[SouthernJen]

This is straight from the Texas Department of Human Services Application for Assistance (food stamps, TANF, Medicaid) page:

- You can apply for and get benefits for eligible family members, even if your family includes other members who are not eligible because of immigration status. For example, immigrant parents may apply for benefits for thier U.S. citizen or qualified legal immigrant children, even though the parents may not qualify for benefits.

- You will not have to provide Social Security numbers or immigration status information or documents for any family members who are not eligible because of immigration status and who are not asking for benefits.

- If you or members of your family use Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), or Food Stamps, it will not affect your or your family members' immigration status. Also, it will not affect your or your family members' ability to get a green card. The exception is if you use long-term institutional care, such as a nursing home.

- Use of TANF or Supplemental Security Income (SSI) might create problems with getting a green card, especially if the benefits are your family's only income. Talk to an agency that helps immigrants with legal questions before you apply.

- Refugees and persons granted asylum can use any benefits, including cash assistance, without hurting their chances of getting a green card or U.S. citizenship.

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Now, from reading the above, it sure does sound like you can be an illegal immigrant in the state of Texas and still receive benefits, the same benefits that American taxpayers have a difficult time getting. I know of what I speak considering I have used these benefits and everytime I apply I am given the third degree by my caseworker.

I have been questioned about a vehicle I had in 1988, I have been told to ask my parents for help instead, I have been questioned about a vehicle that I never owned- it was a car my dad bought for my brother in 1989. This is the same office in which applicants are driving cars my own parents, who have never in their life applied for food stamps, could not afford. I have seen people applying for assistance with manicured fingernails, expensive clothes, expensive cell phones... the list is endless. Yet I have had to fight for food stamps for my family when we really did need the help, and am basically told no because of a vehicle I never owned.

The point of this long post is that I do not for one minute feel that those who are illegal should qualify for benefits. I have worked since I was 16 and have certainly paid my fair share into the system in the way of taxes, and it burns my ass when I am told I cannot use some of that money to help my children. It infuriates me that someone can basically swim across the border, walk into the state of Texas, and immediately receive free food when they have never paid taxes in this country.

I also do not believe that a child born in this country from illegal parents should automatically be allowed U.S. citizenship and receive benefits. That sends the message to the adults of other countries that all they have to do is get pregnant, come into this country, have their baby, and they can then receive all the benefits that hard working taxpayers have paid into the system when they have paid nothing. In my opinion, it encourages illegals to try their hardest to have their children here so they can get the "freebies," so to speak.

I would be willing to bet that if I was to cross into another country today, I certainly wouldn't be allowed the same perks in that country that illegal aliens are allowed in this country.

I'll stop here as I could go on and on with this subject, but as a final thought I'd like to add that I wholeheartedly agree with Opus, Kinglozer, and GracieMae. It's not fair to those of us who have worked our asses off only to be denied when there are those who are not legal in this country to sponge off of us. The laws need to be changed immediately.

[Opus]

I would be willing to bet that if I was to cross into another country today, I certainly wouldn't be allowed the same perks in that country that illegal aliens are allowed in this country.
I have heard that the socialist country Canada will take anyone in and give them all kinds of welfare and free medical, but the country also is so far in debt and charges so many taxes that to even think of emulating them would be foolhardy

I agree with all your post jen, the experience you have had I have seen time and time again and it burns me to think that illegals are getting more than we can just because they are illegal

I think a lot of it falls back on hispanic politicians running for office in california and texas promise so much of this and propose so much of this just to get the illegal immigrants relatives votes and it is an unending circle, soon our southern states will be a copy of mexico, living conditions and all

[Beelzebub]

I would be willing to bet that if I was to cross into another country today, I certainly wouldn't be allowed the same perks in that country that illegal aliens are allowed in this country.



Contrary to popular belief that isn't true. The highest immigration through illegal immigrants is actually the United Kingdom. They cannot even deport illegal immigrants even when they have been refused citizenship!

In fact they have to deal with parasites from other Western Countries whom come on what their press call "Hospital Holidays".

The UK has free healthcare, which is exploited by immigrants and tourists alike.

Personally I believe this is an either or situation. Immigrants go through the same process that everybody has to go through to become a citizen.

Or,
We remove the borders of every single country and work as a unified world government. It's time we stop drawing lines in the sand with words such as "nationalism". This world belongs to everyone, regardless of where they are born.

[Opus]

Contrary to popular belief that isn't true. or,
We remove the borders of every single country and work as a unified world government. It's time we stop drawing lines in the sand with words such as "nationalism". This world belongs to everyone, regardless of where they are born.
Actually Jen is correct, I spent two years in europe and no country that I went through changed their practices or did special things to accept foreigners

no country changed their paperwork to include other langauges

america is th eonly country that bends over backwards for immigrants and america is also the only country that doesnt require outsiders to learn their language

I think if anyone wants to come here the least they could do is learn our languages and follow our laws and go through the proper steps to become a citizen,

and I certainly disagree with Bush about making any illegal alien a legal alien without having to go through the same steps as others have and do every day

[Beelzebub]

Actually Jen is correct, I spent two years in europe and no country that I went through changed their practices or did special things to accept foreigners

no country changed their paperwork to include other langauges


Poppycock dear sir! You even said yourself, the countries you went through; do you know how many countries are in Europe? Do you even know how many are in the UK?

Paperowrk in the UK are written in Spanish, Mandarin, Urdu, French as well as English. You can even request it in Gaelic.

The UK doesn't require you know English either.


You recieve free healthcare in the UK without having to prove where you are from, you are also entitled to a house and welfare.

[Opus]

I have heard from a popular radio host that in order to better compete with our foreign competitors would be to first export liberalism to those countries and more and more I find that happening

because with the import of liberalism countries are getting more and more lawsuits forcing countries already socialist to become even more so

it would be funny if it were not scary

[Beelzebub]

I have heard from a popular radio host that in order to better compete with our foreign competitors would be to first export liberalism to those countries and more and more I find that happening

because with the import of liberalism countries are getting more and more lawsuits forcing countries already socialist to become even more so

it would be funny if it were not scary


Import liberalism from America?

Liberalism started in the UK Opus. John Locke was a major contributor.

Like all things there is a happy medium. Swing to far in either direction and you are in trouble.

[Cherokeechic]

only people paying taxes should be eligible to receive aid and assistence, therefore NO, illegal aliens should receive none. Furthermore, i don't think babies born to ILLEGEL immigrants should be given US citizenship, legal alien yes, but illegal no.

[Epicurus]

I live in CA where the legal citizens are getting gouged to pay for all the aid for illegal citizens. You can hardly live here anymore because of it. Emergency rooms are closing down because of it, etc.
I am against people breaking the law. Being an ILLEGAL citizen in and of itself IS against the law. They certainly should not be able to sponge off the system so many LEGAL citizens work so hard to fund. This is a no brainier to me. Illegal is illegal. legal citizens can take advantage of the system to their full ability irregardless of whether they were born here or became citizens otherwise.

Collette

[George1]

Receive federal help as in food stamps, WIC, medicaid? Many illegals do not pay taxes, should they be allowed to use federal monies that come from the US taxpayers' paychecks?

What taxes are your worried about illegals not paying? They are paying the same sales taxes everyone else is. In fact, they are probably paying more, not less, income tax than legal residents of their income level, since almost all people eligible for "federal help as in food stamps, WIC, medicaid", would be getting refunds if they filed income tax returns.

[Opus]

What taxes are your worried about illegals not paying? They are paying the same sales taxes everyone else is. In fact, they are probably paying more, not less, income tax than legal residents of their income level, since almost all people eligible for "federal help as in food stamps, WIC, medicaid", would be getting refunds if they filed income tax returns.
Illegals, since they are illegal can't have social security numbers so even if they are having taxes taken out of their paychecks, those monies are not making their way to the IRS.

I was under the understanding that all newcomers to these shores had to agree not to be eligble for any welfare at all the first ten years or more so why should illegals get more than those legally here?

and our health care system is alrfeady bogged down enough without allowing illegals to have complete health care coverage or even partial, when many of our own citizens can't get the same coverage.

no, illegals are illegals and as such should be deported as soon as they are discovered and Mexico should be held to pay for any medical expenses incurred by their support of illegals coming here (pres. Fox gives speeches all the time while here that illegals should be respected and accepted)

[Opus]

What taxes are your worried about illegals not paying? They are paying the same sales taxes everyone else is. In fact, they are probably paying more, not less, income tax than legal residents of their income level, since almost all people eligible for "federal help as in food stamps, WIC, medicaid", would be getting refunds if they filed income tax returns.since the question was SHOULD illegals get the benefits listed, your response indicates your in favor of them getting any and all of the benefits listed above?

[George1]

Illegals, since they are illegal can't have social security numbers so even if they are having taxes taken out of their paychecks, those monies are not making their way to the IRS.

That's interesting. So how do you see it working? The IRS saying - sorry, since this SSN is invalid, here is your money back? I somehow don't think so.

[Opus]

That's interesting. So how do you see it working? The IRS saying - sorry, since this SSN is invalid, here is your money back? I somehow don't think so.
lets see

if I was your employer and I wanted to scam you of money, I would create a paycheck for you showing a made up social security number, showing taxes being taken out of your check for that and all the other taxes

then I would just keep the money for myself because if I send the money to the IRS (why would any scammer do that anyways?) someone would start asking questions about why the SSN isnt any good or maybe the SSN matches someone else already paying taxes

just because your for illegals getting benefits, dont make up reasons like they are paying taxes when there is absolutely no proof of ANY illegal paying taxes at all....

the IRS states there are millions of monies every year that they are recieving for bad SSn but that doesnt mean that money is coming from illegals