"The Rod"

[DiznieB]

http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org/images/rod-ad-hsd-product-review.jpg

As advertised in the Home School Digest. Your thoughts?

[Beelzebub]

I think I found the perfect smilie for this. :wife:

[GracieMae]

I am a bit suprised by that advertisement. The things people come up with in the name of the Bible :rolleyes2

No rod for me. I prefer a simple time out for my children.

[bRATmom]

er.... NO. I use time out and taking away privledges.... that works just fine.

when perticularly unrulely... I have threatened with the "paint stick" (the one used for 5 gallon buckets, its HUGE), never had to use it tho.....

[Peanut]

No. Way.

I spank sometimes, but I use my hand. It serves as a good reminder to me as to the amount of force to use apropriately. If it ever even vaguely hurts MY hand, I am using too much force. I realize the whole spanking thing is highly debateable in and of itself, but "The Rod" to me equals potential abuse. Anyone who has ever been accidentally thwacked with a tree branch while walking in the woods can testify to this.

[Melinda-Q]

http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org/images/rod-ad-hsd-product-review.jpg

As advertised in the Home School Digest. Your thoughts?


Horrid. I do not believe in using spanking in any form, nor do I use time-out. I fully practice positive discipline which has worked wonders in our home and in my past classrooms.

From the biblical standpoint, I know people believe in the the concept of "Spare the Rod, SPoil the Child". However most clergy I have discussed this with don't believe this instructs us to SPANK or otherwise HIT our children. In fact one clergyman I spoke with on this subject talked about how it, like other things in the bible is pretty untimely/outdated. I guess that historically, the rod actually referred to a WHIP made of strong grasses.

[Loveone]

Horrid. I do not believe in using spanking in any form, nor do I use time-out. I fully practice positive discipline which has worked wonders in our home and in my past classrooms.

From the biblical standpoint, I know people believe in the the concept of "Spare the Rod, SPoil the Child". However most clergy I have discussed this with don't believe this instructs us to SPANK or otherwise HIT our children. In fact one clergyman I spoke with on this subject talked about how it, like other things in the bible is pretty untimely/outdated. I guess that historically, the rod actually referred to a WHIP made of strong grasses.
Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child for the record is not in the bible.

[Melinda-Q]

Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child for the record is not in the bible.


Well how closely do you want to debate semantics. It IS biblical and the wording is thus:

"He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24) and "Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14)


The common day abridged version comes to us as : Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child.

The problem occurs in interpretation.

[Jory]

Darn, I thought this was a different subject :cookie:

Anyway, what I think about it :loco:

[Debster]

Horrid. I can not believe it's allowed to be advertised. Isn't using anything other than a hand illegal?

[Loveone]

Well how closely do you want to debate semantics. It IS biblical and the wording is thus:

"He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24) and "Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14)


The common day abridged version comes to us as : Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child.

The problem occurs in interpretation.
http://www.stophitting.com/religion/

The bible is often used to support hitting children.

Here are bold and loving statements by parents and Christian religious leaders saying that this is an unwise and secular interpretation of the bible. Material is included by writers from other faiths who also speak of effective guidance of children without physical punishment. This faith material can be used for discussion groups, homilies and sermons, congregation newsletters, and religious education classes. It is copyright free but authors ask that they be given appropriate credit.



http://www.sandradodd.com/s/rod

The greatest researcher in the unschooling community came up with this little list:

By Jfetteroll (Jfetteroll) on Monday, June 9, 2003 - 01:22 pm:

**I assume you're talking about "spare the rod, spoil the child"**
And that line isn't even from the Bible.

Not that the Biblical stuff is all that pretty


http://www.aolff.org/sfhistory.htm

Q. Where does the modern practice of spanking come from? Is it taught in the Bible


A. I'm sure there were foolish children (young adults) throughout history who have been beat with their father's rods (shebet) as a last step before someone or their own foolishness resulted in their death. But applying this idea to young children is a more recent phenomenon.

In fact, the well-known saying “spare the rod, spoil the child” is not the wording found in any of the “rod verses” in the Bible. Instead it is a line from the Samuel Butler satirical poem “Hudibras” that ridicules the Victorian lifestyle. The very line today used to condone and even endorse the modern practice of spanking was originally penned to criticize and ridicule that same practice.



http://www.bartleby.com/81/15722.html

Spare the Rod and Spoil the Child.

Solomon (Prov. xiii. 24) says: “He that spareth the rod hateth his son;” but Samuel Butler, in his Hudibras (pt. ii. canto 1, line 843), says: 1
“Love is a boy, by poets styled,
Then spare the rod, and spoil the child.”

As you can see it's not in the bible, but I could go on.

[Melinda-Q]

As you can see it's not in the bible, but I could go on.


No, clearly it IS in the bible. What this is doing is arguing interpretation. It's semantics. However Proverbs says what it says. I am not saying I agree with the interpretations. I am saying that this is where "spare the Rod" comes from.

This IS in the bible: "He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24) and "Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14)

And that is the foundation that has been used for the interpretation of spare the rod, spoil the child. It dies not take much to see how that interpretation was drawn out.

[Mabel]

Loveone, I would assume that the poet that used the line "Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child" got it from the interpretation of the Proverbs scripture in the Bible.

[Melinda-Q]

Loveone, I would assume that the poet that used the line "Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child" got it from the interpretation of the Proverbs scripture in the Bible.


Eaxctly, that was what I was trying to explain. "He who spares the rod hates his child, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him." (Proverbs 13:24)[slightly different wording, different version of bible] The popular way of remembering this proverb is to say, "Spare the rod and spoil the child." So one can argue to the ends of the earth that "Spare the rod, spoil the child" is not in the bible. If you are looking for this exact wording, that is true. However "spare the rod, spoil the child" is completely biblical in origin. The arguments come when dealing with it's interpretation.

[Torlain]

Eaxctly, that was what I was trying to explain. "He who spares the rod hates his child, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him." (Proverbs 13:24)[slightly different wording, different version of bible] The popular way of remembering this proverb is to say, "Spare the rod and spoil the child." So one can argue to the ends of the earth that "Spare the rod, spoil the child" is not in the bible. If you are looking for this exact wording, that is true. However "spare the rod, spoil the child" is completely biblical in origin. The arguments come when dealing with it's interpretation.


Ok, so you are both right, correct? Spare the Rod, Spoil the child is NOT in the bible, it is an interpretation from the bible...am I correct in this?

[Melinda-Q]

Ok, so you are both right, correct? Spare the Rod, Spoil the child is NOT in the bible, it is an interpretation from the bible...am I correct in this?


Basically. ;) "Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child" verbatim is not in the bible. However "Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child" is the popular way of remembering the Proverb that says "He who spareth the rod, hateth his son..."

[Torlain]

Basically. ;) "Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child" verbatim is not in the bible. However "Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child" is the popular way of remembering the Proverb that says "He who spareth the rod, hateth his son..."


Well, I will bow out of this, as I don't wish to argue semantics...........He who spares the rod, hates his son....Spare the Rod, Spoil the child...em, who cares....lol

[Melinda-Q]

Well, I will bow out of this, as I don't wish to argue semantics...........He who spares the rod, hates his son....Spare the Rod, Spoil the child...em, who cares....lol


Well I *think* I agree LOL. It's basically the same thing on some levels.

(And for others still looking at it as debate, one can also debate what exactly the rod is. Some say historically it was a rod of heavy grasses. Then again it could be the same "rod" used by Shepherds "Let thy rod and thy staff comfort thee"--which changes thing a lot, does it not? LOL)

[mom2burgess]

One interpretation of "spare the rod, spoil the child" I heard was that it was intented to be directed towards the Shepard hitting his sheep. *shrug* I dunno, I spank with my hand occasionally, but would never use an object to spank. I can't believe there is an ad for it

[Torlain]

Well I *think* I agree LOL. It's basically the same thing on some levels.

(And for others still looking at it as debate, one can also debate what exactly the rod is. Some say historically it was a rod of heavy grasses. Then again it could be the same "rod" used by Shepherds "Let thy rod and thy staff comfort thee"--which changes thing a lot, does it not? LOL)


Perhaps they are talking about Rod Stewart?? Anyone who spares him hates their son....hehehehehehe

[Melinda-Q]

Perhaps they are talking about Rod Stewart?? Anyone who spares him hates their son....hehehehehehe


LOL. I would think it more likely that anyone who subjects their child to the Rod (Stewart) hates their child. Ah, some guys have all the luck... ROFL

[OnederWoman]

Then again it could be the same "rod" used by Shepherds "Let thy rod and thy staff comfort thee"--which changes thing a lot, does it not? This is the interpretation I've been taught. That the "rod" was actually used by shepherds to protect their sheep from whatever might wish or cause them harm.

[Epicurus]

I think it is horrifying and abusive. I also wish they would separate their abuses from homeschooling. It makes HSing look bad in general.
I don't care if it is based on the bible or on misunderstanding of religion or on the fact that they were abused or they are mentally ill or anything else. I find it repulsive.

Collette