SFAS: Pregnant woman wants re-entry to U.S., arguing fetus is citizen

[Slabobbin]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...zenship-ON.html

A deported Mexican woman who is eight months pregnant is seeking to return to the United States to protect the unborn baby's health, arguing that under federal law the fetus is a viable human being and thus may be eligible for citizenship. That argument sounds like a longshot to some on both sides of the immigration debate. But in May, a federal judge in Kansas City, Mo., approved a stay of deportation for a pregnant Mexican woman after raising, among other concerns, the question of whether her fetus could be considered a U.S. citizen.

Thoughts? Should she be allowed to remain the U.S.?

Do you think the fetus falls under the 14th amendment and is indeed a US citizen?

[GracieMae]

I didn't read ther link. Was she in this country illagally? If so then no, her baby shouldn't be considered an U.S. citizen.

[Echo2]

If she is illegally in this country then she should be deported. However if they argue this long enough her child will be born a US citizen and then she can stay here and collect welfare and aid to dependant children and send her child to our tax supported schools.

I really hate our immigration laws. They are unfair to everyone.

[Clio]

her child will be born a US citizen and then she can stay here and collect welfare and aid to dependant children and send her child to our tax supported schools

Jesus H Christ. Have you ever been told that before you make up your mind, you should open it!

How do you know this woman isn't a doctor, or a surgeon, or a scientist who was deported due to complications with a working visa? How do you know she doesn't intend on sending her kids to private school?

You really should be careful about throwing stones around that glass house you seem to be in.

[Echo2]

Maybe you should read the article.

[Clio]

I can't read it. I thought I said that. The link doesn't work for me.



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[GracieMae]

The link doesn't work for me either.

[Echo2]

Clio- I think my post may have given you the wrong idea. I actually believe that our immigration laws are way out of balance when it comes to hispanics. We don't patrol the boarders of Canada the same way and we don't deport Canadians in the same fashion that we do hispanics. I personally feel that anyone who isn't a threat to our national security should be allowed to imigrate, providing that they have a skill or the education to get a job or they have an American sponser (could be an individual or a church, organization, etc). I say this because I don't believe people should just be allowed to come here and enroll for welfare, but at the same time I don't want to restrict people from seeking to live in a democracy. Our immigration laws are deploable. We treat people from different countries differently. No one chooses to be born into a particular country and we shouldn't discriminate against people because of their place of birth.

I hope that helps. I think you may have gotten the impression that I was against the immigration of hispanics and that is not the case.

[MMP]

Is the father a citizen of the United States?

BTW, it would let me read the article either. Maybe they got some flak about it.

[Quamie]

Ugg this makes me sick. The child is NOT born, it is not a citizen. Send her but back to her country ASAP.

[Clio]

We treat people from different countries differently. No one chooses to be born into a particular country and we shouldn't discriminate against people because of their place of birth

We just had a referendum on this, to change Irish law. The results aren't known yet.

The governement wants to change the law from every person born here being given automatic citizenship, to every person born here with parents residing in the country for 8 years or more given automatic citizenship.

Ireland is tiny, yet in the last 5 years we have had a HUGE number or refugees coming here. What completely and utterly pisses me off is they wait until the mother of the family is about 8 or 9 months pregnant before they travel. The number of babies born at airports or on planes here is ridiculous and it's all becasue the way the law is now they cannot be sent back to their own country if they have a member of their family who is an Irish citizen.

There was a groundbreaking case last year which prompted the referendum. The parents of a 6 week old baby were told they would have to leave the country within 48 hours BUT their baby who was born in Ireland could stay. They assumed that because their son was born here immigration laws didn't apply to them.

I do believe we should discriminate against people making a mockery of their refugee status. There have even been documented cases of families coming here claiming asylum yet only to be discoved later to have PAID someone to threaten them so they could come here.

An Irish passport is worth it's weight in gold, even more so than a British one. It has something to do with our (supposed) neutrality plus our welfare system is a joke. You want money? Here, help yourself.

[Lady Thatcher]

My understanding was that a newborn could only be concidered a US Citizen if they were born on US grounds. The legal ramifications for allowing this basically equate to "conceive a child on US soil, it's a US citizen". Bad bad idea.

Now in regards to not policing Canadian boards like we do Mexico's. :giggle

Last time I checked there wasn't a huge number's of Canadians who are trying to illegal come into the United States in the first place :lol Canada's financial structur, living conditions, health care system, etc. etc. is a world apart from Mexico. I'm chuckling as I type. If we spent as much money to protect Canadian borders as we do Mexico's, the entire nation would be up in arms because the inexcusable amount of money that would spent on something that is nearly non-existant (Canadians trying to get into the US). Comparing Canadian illegals to Mexican illegals and saying we should spent the same on both, well that's just funny. :)

[Echo2]

I lived in Alaska for many years. You would be surprised at how many illegal Canadians live in that state. Their economy doesn't have the jobs we can offer I guess because they do come here to work. We just don't notice it because they blend in and speak the language. I'll see if I can find some stats. I think you are right that it isn't nearly as high as for the mexican boarder.

[Echo2]

Illegal Alien Population,
Oct. 1996:
Top Ten Countries of Birth
All countries 5,000,000
Mexico 2,700,000
El Salvador 335,000
Guatemala 165,000
Canada 120,000
Haiti 105,000
Philippines 95,000
Honduras 90,000
Bahamas, The 70,000
Nicaragua 70,000
Poland 70,000

http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/299.htm

[Shannonigans]

NO she should NOT be able to stay. The child is not born yet. I'm sorry, but that's the way things go. If you want to come to America, please do so legally. Thank you. Drive through.

[Lady Thatcher]

Mexico 2,700,000

And these are the one's that they can count.... So we're back to where we started, and that is that comparing illegals from Canada and illegals from Mexico is illogical. Almost 3 million to 100,000. That's not even apples and oranges, that's apples and tuna fish.

I personally feel that anyone who isn't a threat to our national security should be allowed to imigrate, providing that they have a skill or the education to get a job or they have an American sponser.

This is also illogical when talking about Mexico. Now Canadians can correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I've always understood Canadian immigration laws. The only way you can move into Canada (even if you marry a Canadian) is if you can prove that you provide a service that is not readily available already within your country. So a person who does field work isn't going to be allowed, easily, into the country because I'm sure that Canada has more than enough individuals to fill that job.

What you are proposing is nearly the same as what Canada does. Because of Mexico's financial short falling, the mass majority of those who want to immigrate to the US wouldn't be able to because they do not hold a job that we need. Besides, if they did hold a job that we needed, the most likely wouldn't be in the frantic state to want to immigrate here in the first place. We currently live in a country that has a comparably high unemployment rate amongst people who already live here. We already have 2.7 million illegals, how many do you think would be shooting over the border if your rules were implemented? It's logical to assume that number would sky rocket. So if that happens, what then? Who gets to decide if we have enough jobs to fit their skills? And isn't it just as discriminatory to base it on skill, when we are talking about a country where it's citizens typically don't have skills that we need?

I believe in helping our own before we reach beyond our borders and helping others. We have plenty in this country who honestly are trying to keep afloat and I would much rather focus on them instead of searching out someone else, who isn't even a citizen of this country.

[DiznieB]

Come live here in Arizona for a few years. So many illegals crossing the borders, having their babies, mooching off welfare, getting WIC and ACCHS from DES and working in jobs where english should be known and spoken but they don't know and the can't speak it.

No. The pregnant mommy needs to go back to her country and birth her child there.

[jessica_3282]

Of course this child is not a citizen. I am in agreement with some of you. Immigration laws should allow anyone into the country that is not a threat to security and someone that can add to the country. I am an American immigrating to Canada (my husband is Canadian) and both countries seem to have pretty strict immigration rules. Although I do understand why, You just dont want just anybody to come into the country, taking jobs from the citizens and causing the tax payers money should the person go on welfare. Of course, not every immigrant is going on welfare (ie me!). But my point is, no this child is not a citizen nor will ever be. It isnt born yet, it doesnt have a birth certificate, therefore how could it have any nationality yet?

~Jessica