SFAS: Mary Kay LeTourneou To Be Released Soon

[Slabobbin]

Apparently, she will be released early august.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/27086.htm

Anyway, what I want to debate is this:

"Besides facing a lifetime ban on seeing Fualaau, Letourneau, 42, also must be supervised anytime she visits the daughters she shares with him - Audrey, 7, and Alexis, 5. "

I cannot see how they can ban her from seeing an adult, without stomping on HIS civil rights. He has every right to see her, or even marry her if that is what he chooses to do as an adult!

[kingclick]

Crap Link isn't workin.

But I agree with your view.

[Echo2]

I agree, how the heck can they ban her from seeing an adult who wants to see her. The last I heard this kid still claimed he loved her (I think he is 17 now).

They made way toomuch of this entire thing. The woman was a scape goat.

[Slabobbin]

According to articles I have read he is 23 now.

[kingclick]

He was 13 in 1997. So that would make him.........

[Echo2]

They have had two children together already. Not allowing her to see her daughters unsupervised is insanity. The woman is not a lesbian pedofile/predator. I think the justice system had a knee jerk reaction to this case and was trying to use it to prove that they treat male and female "predators" the same.

[Slabobbin]

I agree. I don't see her as a typical pedofile. I see her as a person who never grew up mentally and who made a bad choice that sadly affected a lot of people.

[GracieMae]

Ok, playing devils advocate here. How old was this young man when they first had sexual contact? How old was she?

I do not agree with the ban on her seeing him now as he is an adult. I don't agree with the supervissed visits with their children. I don't feel she is a threat to those children.

[kingclick]

He was 13.

[GracieMae]

He was 13.

She definitly deserved jail time. IMO no way was she a scapegoat at that point. Perhaps now but we all have to pay for our misdeeds.

I fail to see how they can inforce a lifetime ban against her seeing an adult however which he is now.

[Clio]

The woman is not a lesbian pedofile/predator.

Care to explain why, for the second time today, I'm seeing the word lesbian in the same sentence as pedophile?

[GracieMae]

Care to explain why, for the second time today, I'm seeing the word lesbian in the same sentence as pedophile?

I had wondered that myself Clio. Even if she were a lesbian what relivance whould that possibly have on the case?

Lesbian does not in any way = pedophile :nono:

[Slabobbin]

Oh I agree that their sexual relationship was wrong.

I do wonder where the cut off is though...is it the age difference or is it his young age that makes it more wrong in your eyes? Like if she were 17 or 18 instead of twenty or thirty something (I can't remember how old she was at the time) would that make it not "as wrong" to you? Or what if he were 14 or 15 instead of 13?

What do you think about a 14 year old and an 18 year old?

[Slabobbin]

I think maybe that was meaning to say that she didn't have an attraction to little girls. But I don't think she had an attraction to little boyS either (plural) I think she had an attraction to this particular one.

I don't know a lot about pedophiles but don't they usually target just one sex or is it just kids in general?

[GracieMae]

IMO having sexual feelings for a 13 year old child makes one a pedophile. That isn't normal.

IMO having a sexual relationship with someone under the age of legal consent is wrong but that doesn't make you (you in general) a pedophile. If said person is 17 or older and you are just a few years older than they are I don't feel that is so adnormal.

If you are let's say 30 and you are sexually attracted to a 14 year old then IMO you have a problem.

[Echo2]

I used the two terms together to illistrate what I believe the iddiots who are keeping this woman from her children think about her. I have absolutly no thoughts or feelings about lesbians being pedofiles. It is a stupid generalization. I think the people who are keeping her away from her children believe that she is a preditary pedofile. And keeping her away from her daughters must means they think she has lesbian tendencies.

I absolutly did not ntend to intimate that gay or lesbian people had pedofilian tendencies. That is a in accurate belief of the ignorant.

[Clio]

I absolutly did not ntend to intimate that gay or lesbian people had pedofilian tendencies. That is a in accurate belief of the ignorant

Phew

[Echo2]

In defense of this woman let me say that she is NOT a predator. She was not out stalking little boys and molesting them. This woman fell in love with and had two children by a single teen age boy. I don't understand the attraction, and I don't think it is healthy, but it is obviously not the same kind of sick molest them and dump them outlook that most pedofiles have. What she did is against the law, but I just can't put it in the same catagory as the preditory males who kidnap little girls and sexually molest them and either kill them or dump them somewhere. What she did is wrong, but it wasn't motivated by some sort of sick child/sex perversion. Even after going to jail and getting out she claims to continue to be in love with this boy, actually having a second child by him. There is more to this than simple sick predatory pedofilia.

[Slabobbin]

I completely agree Echo. What she did fit the definition of pedophilia but I don't think it is like most.

I also can't even comprehend the judge not allowing them to see each other now that he is an adult! How can he legally do that?

[GracieMae]

But is it normal to have sexual feelings for a 13 year old child? Is it right to love a 13 year old child in a sexual way? If that doesn't make her a pedophile what does it make her?

I'm not saying she prayed on young boys but her relationship with this one was wrong!

[Shannie-Poo]

I think she is just plain SICK! She had no right whatsoever to have any intentions with this young boy. Love my ass, a 13 year old doesnt know about love, she used him IMO. She was married with three (I believe) children already, I believe one of her children were the same age as this boy, thats disgusting to me. I dont care if your a male or female, this was WRONG!

The only people I feel sorry for is her children, especially the first bunch, they really got the short end of the stick!!!

[GracieMae]

Robyn, I don't see how he can legally ban her from seeing an adult. That has me puzzled as well :confused:

[Keri]

well this is going on right in the area I am in now(seattle) so it is on the news all the time. I agree, that the judge should have no say over who Vili can see as he is a 21 year old ADULT. She has paid her dues to society and they BOTH(vili and mary) have said they still love eachother. Why not let them have a go at it. They share children. If they can make it work more power to them.

I think that judge is WAY out of line. Vili can have the ban overturned but it costs money that he does not have. I think it's ridiculous that he has to PAY to have his civil rights restored to HIM.

[Truffles]

Or what if he were 14 or 15 instead of 13?

What do you think about a 14 year old and an 18 year old?
Fourteen is the age of consent here in BC.

[Loveone]

Fourteen is the age of consent here in BC.
The age of consent here is 16.


And btw for the record he is 21 now! So I don't think they can ban him from seeing her now. That is if that's what he wants.

[kingclick]

Ok. Everyone.

Think of it this way.

I beat my wife. I put her in the hospital. The STATE puts a restraining order against me. My wife still "loves" me and tries to get back together with me. I beat her again, putting her in the hospital and this time I am sent to jail. When I am released from Jail, no matter what my wife wants. The restraining order still stands.

Same concept here. The boy was victimized (in legal terms) by Mary.

[Slabobbin]

In your scerneio if your wife kept going back to you then she woudl get what she gets. She is an adult. I don't really have much sympathy for people who won't leave their abuser anyway. I know that one isn't popular, lol, but it is how I feel.

[Echo2]

In your scerneio if your wife kept going back to you then she woudl get what she gets. She is an adult. I don't really have much sympathy for people who won't leave their abuser anyway. I know that one isn't popular, lol, but it is how I feel.

I agree 100%. Adults make choices to stay or leave. They are responsible for their choices and trying to blame that choice on anyone else is male cow manuer.

[Lady Thatcher]

I beat my wife. I put her in the hospital. The STATE puts a restraining order against me. My wife still "loves" me and tries to get back together with me. I beat her again, putting her in the hospital and this time I am sent to jail. When I am released from Jail, no matter what my wife wants. The restraining order still stands.

That is based off the fact that you are a threat to her and that contact with her could seriously harm her. There is perceived harm.

What harm can this woman do to the man? What perceived harm is there? I can and agree that if he was under the age of 18, there should be provisions that she not contact him, but there is literally no perceived threat to the boy. This wasn't a violent crime, the boy maintained the entire time he loved her. This wasn't a hate crime. There is no threat to anyone. If anything, the ban causes a threat to the children these two individuals brought into the world because the ban prevents the family unit from being a family unit.

On another note. The first time she went to jail, I was on the fence on if I thought she should or not. However, she got out of jail, and despite the fact that there was a restraining order in place, she broke the order, had sex with the kid again, and even got pregnant with their second child. I was no longer on the fence with that. The court bent over backwards because they too felt the first time around that she was truly sorry for what she did and they gave her a second chance and let her out of jail. The blatant disregard to the state that this lady showed was pretty disgusting. She deserved the second round of jail time.

But now. I don't see any reasoning for the ban. I see it harmful to everyone involved.

[Mabel]

They made way toomuch of this entire thing. The woman was a scape goat.
She was a scape goat? I don't get it. She had sex MANY times with a 13 year old boy. Is that not wrong? Yes, it is. She deserved what she got.

[GracieMae]

I am bumping this because I watched a episode on Biography about her. I am more convinced than ever she was definitly no scape goat! She repetedly had sex with that child after she told the courts she would stay away from him. She was 32 and he was 14 when they first had sex. She knew it was wrong but she didn't care. She belonged in prison and I'm not sure she should be out now :headshake

[Keri]

well vili wants to be with her and the courts granted his request to have the lifelong ban from contact lifted. He is an adult and is free to make his own choices. She has done her time and she is free to live her life as well. what's done is done.

[GracieMae]

While I do not agree with the ban I do feel if a woman of 32 can't control herself enough to not have sex with a 14 year old that is a lot of cause for concern.

VIli was a child at the time. I feel he'll outgrow her in time.

[Keri]

I'm sure he will. But he stands to make a lot of money off of a book and/or movie deal and he is a 21 yr old unemployed man without even a high school diploma with 2 daughters to support, I am sure he will ride it out long enough to make some $$$$ off it.

[GracieMae]

I agree. I also feel he deserves the money. After all he was molested and became a father. He should have the money to put toward raising his daughters.

IMO Vili is a victim. Most 14 years aren't even sexually active let alone with a grown woman.

[Keri]

I think a lot of 14 yr olds are sexually active. I know at 14 I knew about reproduction and safe sex. And I don't think he 'deserves' the money. His mother IMO opinion does since she is the one with custody of the girls and still takes care of them to this day. you can't play the victim card your whole life. Vili has said he does not feel like a victim. So I say, get a diploma, get a job and take care of your babies.