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Michele
07-01-2004, 09:24 PM
New Zealand Baby Killer Olympic Boxer


http://edition.cnn.com/2004/SPORT/0...ewzealand.reut/

AUCKLAND, New Zealand (Reuters) -- New Zealand boxing officials have come under attack for choosing a man who was convicted of killing his infant daughter to represent the country at the Athens Olympics.

The officials are standing firm over their decision to pick Soulan Pownceby for the August Games despite the controversy the selection has provoked.

While there are people who believe the light-middleweight has already been punished for his crime, many more think he is unsuitable to represent the country on the world stage.

The moral debate over Pownceby's inclusion in the team has raised a host of ethical issues, with some people portraying him as a model of rehabilitation while women's groups and organisations campaigning against domestic violence continue to denounce the selection.

Sheryl Hann, a spokeswoman for the Women's Refuge, said she was horrified at Pownceby's selection and would write to the International Olympic Committee (IOC) to register her objections.

"It's a shameful and appalling message to send to the national community, as well as internationally, that we have violent criminals as our sporting heroes," Hann told the Dominion Post.

Even the New Zealand Prime Minister, Helen Clark, got caught up in the debate, calling on the boxer to apologize for his past.

She told Pownceby to "stare the camera down the lens and say: 'I did things which were terribly wrong, I regret that, I now want to put my life to the purpose of persuading other people that have done what I have done to turn a corner'."

Pownceby initially refused to speak publicly but then took the prime minister's advice, making a tearful appearance on national television and pleading for a second chance.

"It's been a very hard thing for me to deal with because I lost my daughter," Pownceby said.

"I can only go forward. I can't change the past. I wish I could, but I can't."

It is not unusual for boxers to come from a background of violence but even by the standards of his chosen sport, Pownceby's upbringing was tougher than most.

According to newspaper reports, Pownceby was abandoned by his Navy father, then his mother died of cancer when he was 17.

His elder brother regularly beat him and his sister, whom he was close to, was murdered in 1990 by her partner.

Sport was Pownceby's only salvation. A natural athlete, he excelled at running and rugby and was developing an interest in boxing.

Brain damage
But in 1995, at the age of 20, Pownceby was jailed for four years for the manslaughter of his five-month-old daughter who sustained irreversible brain damage after being struck.

Pownceby continued to train while in prison and took up the sport seriously on his release, winning three Oceania titles before his controversial selection for Athens.

He is the only New Zealand boxer to qualify for Athens and his supporters say his commitment and devotion to his sport have been his rehabilitation.

But not everyone is convinced. Pownceby has added seven assault convictions to his record, including three against women, since leaving prison, though none in the last four years.




Should this man be allowed to box for the olympics?

Quamie
07-01-2004, 09:36 PM
Hey IF that is how THEY chose to represent their country well then who are we to judge? :stare: :banghead3

Shannie-Poo
07-01-2004, 11:13 PM
They dont have any really good non boxing killers, in the whole country of New Zealand?

I wouldnt want my child admiring this athlete. Can you imagine explaining to your child. Oh yes he practiced really hard while he was in jail for killing his baby daughter, if you put that much time into it you could live his dream too.

:yeah:

Humdinger
07-02-2004, 12:32 AM
Hell no and and I'm with you Brooke. Don't they have any other BETTER people to represent thier country? Geez!!



Shell for some reason when I saw this title for this post I thought it was going to be about pro choicem people being allowed to go and carry the torch. LMAO

Monet
07-06-2004, 08:37 PM
So he's killed a tiny BABY that was his DAUGHTER and assaulted several women since his release, but it's ok because there's been NO MORE ARRESTS in the last 4 years? So how long did he get? By my calculations he spent a MAXIMUM of 5 years for murder. That's ONLY if he beat those women up all together and immediately upon release. Why isn't he in prison instead of being glorified by his country?

mle30
07-08-2004, 03:26 PM
Their country, their example of justice and honor and the rest, he can do what he wants. If you don't agree, protest it BY NOT WATCHING.

In a free world, people are free to do things you don't like. And you're equally free to either gripe or do what you can about it... though I'd choose the doing what you can, if you think it's for a good cause.

Daethian
07-08-2004, 03:44 PM
Its disgusting and I'm shocked its NZ doing it and not US

mle30
07-08-2004, 05:34 PM
is there heightened outrage from anyone here because it was a baby he killed? Because it was not only a baby, but HIS baby? Just wondering...

Echo2
07-08-2004, 06:53 PM
Are you people actually trying to say that we should start regulating who can and can't enter the Olympics by their criminal records? Even if the home country feels the person has paid their debt to society? Would that be fair since all countries have varying laws and what is legal here may not be legal somewhere else? a And how long the penalty for any given crime will vary from country to country, state to state, etc.

Give it a break guys. Just because something outrages you and you find it digusting does not make it fair game for the regulation police.

What this guy did was awfull, and I think he should have been locked up forever for it. But I do not feel I have the right to tell another country who they can and can't enter into the Olympics.

The Olympics is about physical competition ONLY and the only regulations around entering it should be grounded in physical competition. Like the drug rules and professional player rules. Lets leave politics and outrage at individuals competetors backgrounds out of the Olympics.

Have a little faith in Karma. It may not seem like it, but the world is unfolding just as it shoud be.

btlsmum
07-09-2004, 03:08 PM
I'm with Echo on this one. He did his time, reprehensible human being or not.

Monet
07-10-2004, 04:41 PM
Their country, their example of justice and honor and the rest, he can do what he wants. If you don't agree, protest it BY NOT WATCHING.

In a free world, people are free to do things you don't like. And you're equally free to either gripe or do what you can about it... though I'd choose the doing what you can, if you think it's for a good cause.

I believe that's what this women's group is doing, by making a stink about it. Hell, maybe I'll go help support them! I don't watch boxing, too much spit and blood. My issue is with the light sentance. I'd like to see sociopaths like that OUT of the general population and not roaming around.