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April
02-06-2004, 09:03 PM
ATLANTIC CITY, N.J., Feb. 6 — Jittery baton twirlers and sequin-clad tap dancers might be getting the hook.
Fed up with declining ratings, ABC is shortening the annual Miss America telecast — from three hours to two — and could end its talent competition.
Miss America officials and pageant fans want to keep it, saying the amateur routines distinguish Miss America from other beauty pageants.
ABC officials weren't talking Friday, and acting pageant CEO Art McMaster said no decision had been made.
''In the initial sit down, ABC made a comment saying 'By the way, we notice the ratings have dropped on the talent side,''' said McMaster. ''They want to change how it's shown on television.''
Introduced in 1935, the two-minute routines have historically defined the Miss America experience.
But to viewers, they're a major turnoff.
For years, the 10 semifinalists got to perform their routines on the stage during the annual telecast. In 1999, the pageant cut the number in half, trying to stem viewership losses that occur during the talent routines.
In pageant circles, the idea of eliminating talent acts is about as welcome as an off-key Steinway.
''It would be a crime,'' said Bo Mock, director of the Miss Houston Scholarship Pageant, a Miss America local. ''It's always been what sets us apart.''
ABC, which saw a record-low 10.3 million tune in for the crowning of Miss Florida Ericka Dunlap last fall, is negotiating a new deal with the Miss America Organization. Network spokeswoman Cathy Rehl had no immediate comment on ABC's plans for this year's pageant when reached Friday.
Once the financial terms are complete, Miss America and ABC will turn to talking about production plans for this year's pageant, scheduled for Sept. 18, according to McMaster.
The idea, apparently, is to figure out why Miss America talent routines drive viewers away while ''American Idol'' and other television shows featuring unknown amateurs have proven so popular.
''Shows like 'American Idol' and 'Star Search' that are talent-driven have shown that America is interested in seeing regular kids performing talent and becoming invested in that professionally,'' said Fran Skinner-Lewis, who runs the Miss Illinois pageant.
She suggests cutting the number of live talent performances or sprinkling them through the telecast — instead of presenting them one after another — as a compromise.
''We need to rethink where we are and look at showcasing our best talent, as an opportunity to redefine that element of the Miss America pageant that distinguishes us,'' Skinner-Lewis said.


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Why not get rid of the bathing suit competition?

(This may or may not be a "debate" topic but I figured it best to err on the side of caution.)

Minnie_Beebe
02-06-2004, 09:06 PM
Ah god, I never liked the pagent anyway. Too much skin and not enough synapses.

Mabel
02-06-2004, 09:25 PM
I didn't know any pageants still HAD the talent portion...

mom2burgess
02-06-2004, 10:40 PM
the reason American Idol andwhatnot do so much better is because they are not totally based on your looks. Look at Ruben Studdard and Clay Aiken-neither of them fit the mold for the current "hot" looks. If you cut out the talent part of the pageant, then it is truely about the looks nothing else.

kingclick
02-06-2004, 11:00 PM
First of all....

This IS a BEAUTY pageant. So it's not too far fetched to think that the main focus is Beauty.

Second....

What the organizers are missing is that American Idol is not about hearing TALENTED people perform. It's about hearing people perform and get degraded by Simon. The snippets that you hear on the radio the next day aren't of the amazing performances. They are of the horrid ones. And THEN after hours and hours of shows....people start to root for a particular one to win. In a 2/3 hours show with Miss America you just root for your State (whichever you want to root for) and it's over at the end.

Maybe is Miss America had the Judges spewing scores and tearing contestants apart for not having enough vaseline on their teeth they could keep the ratings.

mom2burgess
02-06-2004, 11:29 PM
Heehee, I would watch it KL

My point though, is, While I do love hearing the people who can't sing make fools out of themselves, there is REAL talent in american Idol and Star Search. That is why I watch, and i think that is why alot of other people watch. I, personally, have always found the pageant to be long, boring, and pointless. The only part opf it I DID like was the talent portion

PsychoBunny
02-06-2004, 11:29 PM
Actually, I love American Idol and I watch because I enjoy listening to the performers and have usually picked my favorites early in. I had Clay pegged from the beginning...before he even made it as a wild card.

April
02-07-2004, 10:34 AM
But when you call it a "beauty pagaent", why do they (the contestants, the orgnization) get offended and say "It's not a beauty pagaent, it's a scholarship program!"

By keeping the swimsuit part, they're admitting that its the portion that draws in the viewers and that it IS a beauty pagaent. Scholarship program, my ass. :rolleyes:

Personally, I like the talent portion better, as I'm sure most women viewers do. When Vanessa Williams was crowned, her talent was singing. Had it not been for the talent portion, she may not have gotten noticed for her singing and would have just gone on to be known as 'the one who posed in Playboy'.