McCain/Palin ... more pain, more misery

[shores]

http://www.airfarceone.net/antirepubs2/mcpain_ailing08.gif


A McCain-Palin Administration would deliver:

STAY THE COURSE ECONOMICS: Just like George W. Bush, neither McCain nor Palin talk at all about our economic problems, in large part because they don't even know they exist. We already know about McCain's mansions, but not as many people know that thanks to high oil prices, Alaska's economic situation is much stronger than the that in the rest of the United States. And the only plans they offer are the same as Bush's.

EVEN MORE RELIGIOUS AND CULTURAL EXTREMISM: For the past eight years, George W. Bush and Karl Rove have tried to divide this country along religious and cultural lines. By appeasing the far right wing of the GOP, John McCain has taken that trend towards polarization and put it on steroids. To gain a political advantage, he is willing to put a true religious zealot within a heartbeat of the presidency (edit: even though she's unqualified to be president).

THE SAME OLD LIES AND DECEPTIONS: Both Palin and McCain lie with reckless abandon. They don't care. In fact, they get off on it. Remind you of how the administration sold the war in Iraq (aided, of course, by none other than John McCain)?

We need to continue pressing the case that we've been making all along: John McCain means four more years of Bush politics and policies. Now that he has selected Sarah Palin to run alongside him, our case is even stronger.

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/09/palin-mccain-more-of-the-same.html

[Matthew S]

I love it

Keep it up :)

[Pops In]

Coincidentally I was just browsing this:


<small class="post-date" id="day_17">September 17, 2008, 9:06 pm</small> Moo


<!-- end post-info --> People should stop picking on vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin because she hired a high school classmate to oversee the state agriculture division, a woman who said she was qualified for the job because she liked cows when she was a kid. And they should lay off the governor for choosing another childhood friend to oversee a failing state-run dairy, allowing the Soviet-style business to ding taxpayers for $800,000 in additional losses.
What these critics don’t understand is that crony capitalism is how things are done in Alaska. They reward failure in the Last Frontier state. In that sense, it’s not unlike like Wall Street’s treatment of C.E.O.’s who run companies into the ground.
Look at Carly Fiorina, John McCain’s top economic surrogate — if you can find her this week, after the news and her narrative fused in a negative way. Dismissed as head of Hewlett-Packard after the company’s stock plunged and nearly 20,000 workers were let go, she was rewarded with $44 million in compensation. Sweet!
Thank God McCain wants to appoint a commission to study the practice that enriched his chief economic adviser. On the campaign trail this week, McCain and Palin pledged to “stop multimillion dollar payouts to C.E.O.’s” of failed companies. Good. Go talk to Fiorina at your next strategy session.
Palin’s Alaska is a cultural cousin to this kind of capitalism. The state may seem like a rugged arena for risky free-marketers. In truth, it’s a strange mix of socialized projects and who-you-know hiring practices.
Let’s start with those cows. A few years ago, I met Harvey Baskin, one of the last of Alaska’s taxpayer-subsidized dairy farmers, at his farm outside Anchorage. The state had spent more than $120 million to create farms where none existed before. The epic project was a miserable failure.
“You want to know how to lose money in a hurry?” Harvey told me, while kicking rock-hard clumps of frozen manure. “Become a farmer with the state of Alaska as your partner. This is what you call negative farming.

The rest @ NY Times (http://egan.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/moo/index.html?ref=opinion&8ty&emc=ty)

[shores]

Palin + McCain Equals More Bush

Friday, September 19, 2008

by Helen Thomas

The new Republican ticket seems like the current White House tenant. Neither McCain nor Palin appear to have any significant doubts about President Bush's disastrous policies. Palin's gubernatorial tenure in Alaska is personified by massive firings when she took office. She does not tolerate dissent and shuns the media.

It seems clear to me that we would have another imperial presidency if McCain and Palin win the hearts and minds of the American people in the November balloting. Bob Woodward of The Washington Post has been privy to the workings of the Bush White House and has written four books to prove it. In his latest Book, "The War Within," Woodward depicts Bush as a "man of few doubts" who is "still following his gut, convinced that the path he has chosen is right."

Bush, who has switched from using the word "win" in speaking of Iraq to "succeed," has the gung ho McCain-Palin team behind him. The question is, why? Woodward also wrote that Bush was intolerant of confrontations and in-depth debate. He said Bush maintained an "odd detachment" in the management of the war in Iraq "and too often failed to lead."

Bush has never explained why he invaded Iraq -- a country that had no doomsday weapons and did us no harm. It's doubtful that McCain or Palin could explain Bush's mindless mission in the Middle East if they gained the White House.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/19-7

[kingclick]

spam

[ArcticPhoenix]

Shenanigans

[Pops In]

How spam? Topical opinions with sources. :huh:

[Pops In]

And just to be flipant, I'll have a gin an tonic, what shores?

[ArcticPhoenix]

http://bbs.joins.com/data/t_humor/20070824132815826.jpg

/Just wanted... to post this. :lol:

[shores]

Economic chaos. Market crashing.

This nation needs McCain:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/08/324_mccain.gif


;)

[kingclick]

spam

[JPSartre12]

http://www.airfarceone.net/antirepubs2/mcpain_ailing08.gif


A McCain-Palin Administration would deliver:

STAY THE COURSE ECONOMICS: Just like George W. Bush, neither McCain nor Palin talk at all about our economic problems, in large part because they don't even know they exist. We already know about McCain's mansions, but not as many people know that thanks to high oil prices, Alaska's economic situation is much stronger than the that in the rest of the United States. And the only plans they offer are the same as Bush's.

EVEN MORE RELIGIOUS AND CULTURAL EXTREMISM: For the past eight years, George W. Bush and Karl Rove have tried to divide this country along religious and cultural lines. By appeasing the far right wing of the GOP, John McCain has taken that trend towards polarization and put it on steroids. To gain a political advantage, he is willing to put a true religious zealot within a heartbeat of the presidency (edit: even though she's unqualified to be president).

THE SAME OLD LIES AND DECEPTIONS: Both Palin and McCain lie with reckless abandon. They don't care. In fact, they get off on it. Remind you of how the administration sold the war in Iraq (aided, of course, by none other than John McCain)?

We need to continue pressing the case that we've been making all along: John McCain means four more years of Bush politics and policies. Now that he has selected Sarah Palin to run alongside him, our case is even stronger.

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/09/palin-mccain-more-of-the-same.html

Do you have an original thought to share or do you just spout off from the DNC handbook? :rolleyes2

[kingclick]

Do you have an original thought to share or do you just spout off from the DNC handbook? :rolleyes2Like I said SPAM.

[BAmaracas]

spam

As you know I reported your post. Since you're the mod of this section, you get the reports, even if they are against you.
Your claim of spam is not justified or explained. You are trying to shut down debate by spamming this thread with "SPAM".
If this thread is spam isn't your responsibily to move it to the spam bin?

[E Mutz]

Do we really need to test each other's ability to copy and paste from Democratic Underground and National Review?

Copy and pasting political websites is not debate.

I'm with King. Develop your own thoughts. If you post consists mainly of a link to a vendor, whether they schlep goods or gossip, it is spazizam.

[flygirl]

pounding,throbbing,blinding, headache.
painpainpainpainpainpainpainpain

[BAmaracas]

Do we really need to test each other's ability to copy and paste from Democratic Underground and National Review?

Copy and pasting political websites is not debate.

I'm with King. Develop your own thoughts. If you post consists mainly of a link to a vendor, whether they schlep goods or gossip, it is spazizam.If that's kingclick's case then why did he start this thread yesterday?:
http://www.theconversationcafe.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35521
It's nothing but a cut and paste.

[E Mutz]

If that's kingclick's case then why did he start this thread yesterday?:
http://www.theconversationcafe.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35521
It's nothing but a cut and paste.

Originally Posted by E Mutz

Copy and pasting political websites is not debate

I would hazard that the AP is not a political hatchet organization in the same sense as Democratic Underground.

[BAmaracas]

I would hazard that the AP is not a political hatchet organization in the same sense as Democratic Underground.

What does the source have to do with it being spam or not? Plus kingclick starting crying "spam" before there was a Democratic Underground link.
The only spamming this thread has is kickclick popping in here to yell "spam", every few post. There is absolutely no debating that his tactic is spam.

[E Mutz]

What does the source have to do with it being spam or not? Plus kingclick starting crying "spam" before there was a Democratic Underground link.
The only spamming this thread has is kickclick popping in here to yell "spam", every few post. There is absolutely no debating that his tactic is spam.

No he is quite rightly identifying spam for what it is. Someone pops in, says hi and posts a link to a cel phone company and we go bat shit. Someone Pops In, and posts a link to democratic shill machine and we are all cool?


Post 1: Left Wing Blog link

Post 2: Left Wing Blog link

King Calls spam

Post 3: Left Wing Blog Link (Democratic Underground)

Spamuel Adams is brewing up Spam. You are biting it because it is dished from the left hand. What happens when it starts getting dished from the right? Do we really need to start filling page upon page of this partisan blog crap?

Leave the blogs out of it. Do your own thinking and do your own posting.

[JPSartre12]

What does the source have to do with it being spam or not? Plus kingclick starting crying "spam" before there was a Democratic Underground link.
The only spamming this thread has is kickclick popping in here to yell "spam", every few post. There is absolutely no debating that his tactic is spam.

Where's the original thought in Shore's posts? They are nothing more than mindless regurgitation of some leftwing bullshit. I believe spam is the correct call. :trophy:

[BAmaracas]

No he is quite rightly identifying spam for what it is. Someone pops in, says hi and posts a link to a cel phone company and we go bat shit. Someone Pops In, and posts a link to democratic shill machine and we are all cool?

Who said anything about cool? The only statement I made was the original poster was not spamming. He made a thread and posted in it. He did not start a bunch of threads, just one. Kingklink did not call him out for a being a biased poster or a lame poster, he just called "spam".
This is the sub forum for politics, so why can't he post politically pieces in here? Shores did not break the TOS. The TOS defines what spamming is here.

[kingclick]

It's spam. It's mindless sheep bleating over and over and over again. It's pointless cut and paste.

This is a DEBATE forum where thoughts are debated and discussed and hashed out.

I call spam because it is SPAM. It isn't the evil, post come ons to purchase penis enlargement or nikes..... So no, I wont move it or abuse my powers as a mod. And NO I am not censoring anything by just labeling it as spam.

If people actually find something worthy to debate...cool. But my view is that it is just spam.

[kingclick]

Do we really need to test each other's ability to copy and paste from Democratic Underground and National Review?

Copy and pasting political websites is not debate.

I'm with King. Develop your own thoughts. If you post consists mainly of a link to a vendor, whether they schlep goods or gossip, it is spazizam.

If that's kingclick's case then why did he start this thread yesterday?:
http://www.theconversationcafe.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35521
It's nothing but a cut and paste.

I posted that for the morons on this board that were standing against this buyout based on their own partisan thinking. I posted it to INFORM people that this isn't just some little blip that we can watch a few Wall Streeters lose their jobs over. This is a GLOBAL crisis that needs to be addressed.

[BAmaracas]

It's spam. It's mindless sheep bleating over and over and over again. It's pointless cut and paste.

This is a DEBATE forum where thoughts are debated and discussed and hashed out.
And your coming in to just post "spam" over and over again is any different.

I call spam because it is SPAM. It isn't the evil, post come ons to purchase penis enlargement or nikes..... So no, I wont move it or abuse my powers as a mod. And NO I am not censoring anything by just labeling it as spam.

That's BS. That is not one of the many defined types of spam here or elsewhere.
Spamming his thread with "spam", is nothing but an attempt to stiffle debate on the topic. As a mod of this forum calling a thread "spam" is an attempt to create a chilling effect on the speech in this forum.

[Pops In]

What's my post then, #3, spam?

[JPSartre12]

What's my post then, #3, spam?

If that was all you ever posted, I'd say yes. But knowing you, you don't know when to keep quiet. ;)

[Pops In]

If that was all you ever posted, I'd say yes. But knowing you, you don't know when to keep quiet. ;)
Losing again, JP.

[JPSartre12]

Losing again, JP.

No, just arguing with a senile old man that doesn't realize that he's no match for "the kid". ;)

[shores]

McCain and Bush: Unconcerned with the Needs of Ordinary Americans

By Robert Scheer

Oct 2008

Perhaps John McCain is not a perfect replica of George W. Bush, but the parallels go beyond the senator's enthusiastic support for the toxic mix of Bush's imperial foreign policy and his arrogant indifference to the travails of our domestic existence. Neither man seems to have any sense of how we actually live or what we need from government. How else to explain their common antipathy to Social Security and Medicare, which, after public education, represent the nation's most successful programs? Can you imagine the panic today if McCain and Bush had succeeded in tying Social Security to investments in the stock market? They view government as nothing more than a proud sponsor of the military-industrial complex while ignoring the threat to homeland security from corporate pirates.

Don't say we weren't warned. Bush came into office believing fervently that what was good for Enron and its CEO, Kenneth "Kenny Boy" Lay, Bush's top financial sponsor, was good for the country. So, too, McCain, who chose Phil Gramm as co-chair of his presidential campaign, ignoring the huge loophole in Gramm's Commodity Futures Trading Act, which allowed Enron, where his wife, Wendy Gramm, was on the board of directors, to so shamelessly game the energy market.

Trumpeting the benefits of the legislation he tacked onto an omnibus spending bill the day before the 2000 Christmas recess, then-Sen. Gramm stated: "It protects financial institutions from over-regulation. It provides legal certainty for the $60 billion market in swaps." Those swaps created the toxic investments that U.S. taxpayers are now stuck with as the nation struggles to save those unregulated financial institutions from bankruptcy.

McCain, who should have learned the cost of radical deregulation from his own involvement in the savings and loan scandal as one of the infamous "Keating Five," totally bought Gramm's line. McCain was the chair of Gramm's 1996 presidential bid and up until major Wall Street firms collapsed continued to echo the insistence of the former-Texas-senator-turned-banker that there was no real crisis in the financial markets.

http://www.alternet.org/election08/102211/mccain_and_bush:_unconcerned_with_the_needs_of_ord inary_americans


http://www.barackobama.com/images/widgets/Obama08_ThumbLogo200.gif

[JPSartre12]

McCain and Bush: Unconcerned with the Needs of Ordinary Americans

By Robert Scheer

Oct 2008

Perhaps John McCain is not a perfect replica of George W. Bush, but the parallels go beyond the senator's enthusiastic support for the toxic mix of Bush's imperial foreign policy and his arrogant indifference to the travails of our domestic existence. Neither man seems to have any sense of how we actually live or what we need from government. How else to explain their common antipathy to Social Security and Medicare, which, after public education, represent the nation's most successful programs? Can you imagine the panic today if McCain and Bush had succeeded in tying Social Security to investments in the stock market? They view government as nothing more than a proud sponsor of the military-industrial complex while ignoring the threat to homeland security from corporate pirates.

Don't say we weren't warned. Bush came into office believing fervently that what was good for Enron and its CEO, Kenneth "Kenny Boy" Lay, Bush's top financial sponsor, was good for the country. So, too, McCain, who chose Phil Gramm as co-chair of his presidential campaign, ignoring the huge loophole in Gramm's Commodity Futures Trading Act, which allowed Enron, where his wife, Wendy Gramm, was on the board of directors, to so shamelessly game the energy market.

Trumpeting the benefits of the legislation he tacked onto an omnibus spending bill the day before the 2000 Christmas recess, then-Sen. Gramm stated: "It protects financial institutions from over-regulation. It provides legal certainty for the $60 billion market in swaps." Those swaps created the toxic investments that U.S. taxpayers are now stuck with as the nation struggles to save those unregulated financial institutions from bankruptcy.

McCain, who should have learned the cost of radical deregulation from his own involvement in the savings and loan scandal as one of the infamous "Keating Five," totally bought Gramm's line. McCain was the chair of Gramm's 1996 presidential bid and up until major Wall Street firms collapsed continued to echo the insistence of the former-Texas-senator-turned-banker that there was no real crisis in the financial markets.

http://www.alternet.org/election08/102211/mccain_and_bush:_unconcerned_with_the_needs_of_ord inary_americans

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http://www.barackobama.com/images/widgets/Obama08_ThumbLogo200.gif

[kingclick]

easier just to type...

spam

[shores]

EIGHT DAYS TO ENDING EIGHT MISERABLE YEARS!!!

October 26, 2008

Just this morning, Senator McCain said that actually he and President Bush 'share a common philosophy,'" Obama said.

"That's right, Colorado. I guess that was John McCain finally giving us a little straight talk, owning up to the fact that he and George Bush actually have a whole lot in common," Obama said.

Obama then listed what he saw as deficiencies of the McCain-Bush philosophy, which encapsulated his main campaign themes heading into the election on November 4 as America battles its deepest economic crisis since the 1930s.

"We know what the Bush-McCain philosophy looks like. It's a philosophy that says we should give more and more to millionaires and billionaires and hope that it trickles down on everybody else.

"It's a philosophy that gives tax breaks to wealthy CEOs and to corporations that ship jobs overseas while hundreds of thousands of jobs are disappearing here at home.

"It's a philosophy that justifies spending 10 billion dollars a month in Iraq while the Iraqi government sits on a huge surplus and our economy is in crisis."

"We can't have another four years that look like the last eight, it is time for change in Washington."

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_slates_McCain_over_Bush_philo_10262008.html

[kingclick]

Political rhetoric and blather.

[JPSartre12]

I'm guessing that Shores is some Obama nutsac carrier that spends his/her days as a paid waterboy posting pro-Obama propaganda on thousands of forums across the internet.

[BAmaracas]

I'm guessing that Shores is some Obama nutsac carrier that spends his/her days as a paid waterboy posting pro-Obama propaganda on thousands of forums across the internet.
18 posts in 2 1/2 years. I suspect a paid shill would have a post count more like yours.

[kingclick]

I'm guessing that Shores is some Obama nutsac carrier that spends his/her days as a paid waterboy posting pro-Obama propaganda on thousands of forums across the internet.Yep and the sad thing is my hands are tied from moving threads like this to the trash.

There should be a difference between honest political debate and just posting political ads for your favored party.

It's like having real discussions about religion and having people post threads Proselytizing.

[kingclick]

18 posts in 2 1/2 years. I suspect a paid shill would have a post count more like yours.And only one post wasn't political rhetoric.

[Hawkyfan99]

Why not just debunk the points offered? Usually, it's not that hard.

[kingclick]

Why not just debunk the points offered? Usually, it's not that hard.Because the points offered aren't always intended to BE debunked. Because the intent of the poster is to "Put up a lawn sign" on TCC or put up a bandwidth bumpersticker. We have had dozens of debates.....ACTUAL debates on these subjects and shores hasn't responded.

It's bumper sticker posting.

[Hawkyfan99]

Because the points offered aren't always intended to BE debunked. Because the intent of the poster is to "Put up a lawn sign" on TCC or put up a bandwidth bumpersticker. We have had dozens of debates.....ACTUAL debates on these subjects and shores hasn't responded.

It's bumper sticker posting.

But, there are other people here that do. If it can be demonstrated that there's no value to his post, that it's nothing more than baseless rhetoric, debunk it as such.

[kingclick]

But, there are other people here that do. If it can be demonstrated that there's no value to his post, that it's nothing more than baseless rhetoric, debunk it as such.

When did I say baseless? I said political rhetoric. And why give the bumpersticker posts any more respect than they give the board in general?

[Hawkyfan99]

When did I say baseless? I said political rhetoric. And why give the bumpersticker posts any more respect than they give the board in general?

Because some of us have actually posted links that could've been used for discussion, that you try to do the same thing to. And that's for users with thousands of posts.

[kingclick]

Because some of us have actually posted links that could've been used for discussion, that you try to do the same thing to. And that's for users with thousands of posts.No. Those were just bandwidth bumper stickers too. With no more value than....

Obama/Biden 08! Or McPain/Failin 08!

Posting links and soundbites isn't creating discussion, it's advertising.

[JPSartre12]

18 posts in 2 1/2 years. I suspect a paid shill would have a post count more like yours.

Then you’re a bigger fool than I’ve taken you for. ;) Why would a paid shill stick around for over 2 years before an election making thousands of posts? Wouldn’t a paid shill strike as many forums as possible right before an election?

Yep and the sad thing is my hands are tied from moving threads like this to the trash.

There should be a difference between honest political debate and just posting political ads for your favored party.

It's like having real discussions about religion and having people post threads Proselytizing.

If shores stayed around to get his ass ripped by those of us inclined to do so, I’d say that it was a legitimate post. But I’ve seen nothing original come from this parrot of the DNC.

Because the points offered aren't always intended to BE debunked. Because the intent of the poster is to "Put up a lawn sign" on TCC or put up a bandwidth bumpersticker. We have had dozens of debates.....ACTUAL debates on these subjects and shores hasn't responded.

It's bumper sticker posting.

Agreed.:agree:

But, there are other people here that do. If it can be demonstrated that there's no value to his post, that it's nothing more than baseless rhetoric, debunk it as such.

If there’s no value in his post, then why waste time debating it? Do you feel the need to debate a wall that doesn’t respond? I don’t.

[Hawkyfan99]

No. Those were just bandwidth bumper stickers too. With no more value than....

Obama/Biden 08! Or McPain/Failin 08!

Posting links and soundbites isn't creating discussion, it's advertising.

No. it's not.

Posting a link and allowing people to draw their own conclusions on the content without giving the OP's opinion first makes SENSE.

[Hawkyfan99]

If there’s no value in his post, then why waste time debating it? Do you feel the need to debate a wall that doesn’t respond? I don’t.

I posted one yesterday that he dubbed the same way. I've been here for years.

[JPSartre12]

No. it's not.

Posting a link and allowing people to draw their own conclusions on the content without giving the OP's opinion first makes SENSE.

I disagree. If I want to read a straight news article, I’d read a newspaper. We come to this forum to debate opinions. If all you do is post links to someone else’s opinion or news article, then, AFAIC, you’re as useless as tits on a bull.

I posted one yesterday that he dubbed the same way. I've been here for years.

See above.

[BAmaracas]

Then you’re a bigger fool than I’ve taken you for. ;) Why would a paid shill stick around for over 2 years before an election making thousands of posts? Wouldn’t a paid shill strike as many forums as possible right before an election?


Who would pay anyone to post here? There are only 177 active members here.

So shores has been waiting all these years to just to post these few articles?

And where are the links to all the other forums that shores is posting the exact same thing to?

[JPSartre12]

Who would pay anyone to post here? There are only 177 active members here.

So shores has been waiting all these years to just to post these few articles?

And where are the links to all the other forums that shores is posting the exact same thing to?

What part of this post was unclear to you?


I'm guessing that Shores is some Obama nutsac carrier that spends his/her days as a paid waterboy posting pro-Obama propaganda on thousands of forums across the internet.



Here are some other blogs and forums that have the same article used by drive-by posters. If you think this is all coincidence, you're as gullable as Hell.

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/102211/mccain_and_bush:_unconcerned_with_the_needs_of_ord inary_americans_/

http://www.bigbrassblog.com/index.php?itemid=2260

http://intellectualthought.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1620

http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=478861&amp;sid=c3fb8331450bebbf81742f8 e6589cd92

[Hawkyfan99]

I disagree. If I want to read a straight news article, I’d read a newspaper. We come to this forum to debate opinions. If all you do is post links to someone else’s opinion or news article, then, AFAIC, you’re as useless as tits on a bull.



See above.

How, exactly, does one debate opinions related to any given article without reading it first?

That's the point. Read the article. Then debate it.

[JPSartre12]

How, exactly, does one debate opinions related to any given article without reading it first?

That's the point. Read the article. Then debate it.

I have no desire to increase the traffic for such trite.

[Hawkyfan99]

I have no desire to increase the traffic for such trite.

I can see that for something like a tripod page. But quite frankly, ignoring sites that simply don't concur with your views...

Well...

makes me wonder why you're at a debate site, other than to spout "Bumper Sticker" posts.

[BAmaracas]

Here are some other blogs and forums that have the same article used by drive-by posters. If you think this is all coincidence, you're as gullable as Hell.

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/102211/mccain_and_bush:_unconcerned_with_the_needs_of_ord inary_americans_/

http://www.bigbrassblog.com/index.php?itemid=2260

http://intellectualthought.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1620

http://www.brooklynian.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=478861&amp;sid=c3fb8331450bebbf81742f8 e6589cd92

How is this any different then your beer and taxes thread?:
http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2007/03/barstool-tax-policy.html
http://forums.techguy.org/civilized-debate/697617-us-tax-system-described-beer.html
http://www.reddit.com/comments/65kvx/10_men_go_out_for_a_beer_a_tax_allegory
http://thesource.typepad.com/thesource/2008/02/explaining-our.html
http://o-k.newsvine.com/_news/2008/01/15/1229913-ten-men-go-out-for-beer-the-bill-is-100-if-they-paid-their-bill-the-way-we-pay-our-taxes-its-like-this
http://wtfjournal.blogspot.com/2007/10/tax-analogy.html
http://wordpress.com/tag/income-tax-beer-analogy/
http://humanracehorses.blogspot.com/2008/10/retweeting-beer-tax-analogy.html
http://www.nigeriansinamerica.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=13748
http://www.sigpi.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1763
http://humanracehorses.blogspot.com/2008/10/retweeting-beer-tax-analogy.html
http://pixiedustfaith.blogspot.com/2008/10/drinking-beer-taxing-analogy.html
http://www.coedmagazine.com/news-ish/Getting-Out/Money-2/34542
http://www.goteamsgo.com/forum/general-discussion/71065-interesting-analogy-on-taxes.html
http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2518
http://community.babycenter.com/post/a1854885/a_tax_plan_analogy_kinda_politics
http://annielives.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/beer-analogies-and-taxes/
http://vnboards.ign.com/ac_friends/b5258/108647456/p1/
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977338733

I could add more, but I won't. My list is large enough to prove that you post blog spam.

[JPSartre12]

How is this any different then your beer and taxes thread?:
http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2007/03/barstool-tax-policy.html
http://forums.techguy.org/civilized-debate/697617-us-tax-system-described-beer.html
http://www.reddit.com/comments/65kvx/10_men_go_out_for_a_beer_a_tax_allegory
http://thesource.typepad.com/thesource/2008/02/explaining-our.html
http://o-k.newsvine.com/_news/2008/01/15/1229913-ten-men-go-out-for-beer-the-bill-is-100-if-they-paid-their-bill-the-way-we-pay-our-taxes-its-like-this
http://wtfjournal.blogspot.com/2007/10/tax-analogy.html
http://wordpress.com/tag/income-tax-beer-analogy/
http://humanracehorses.blogspot.com/2008/10/retweeting-beer-tax-analogy.html
http://www.nigeriansinamerica.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=13748
http://www.sigpi.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1763
http://humanracehorses.blogspot.com/2008/10/retweeting-beer-tax-analogy.html
http://pixiedustfaith.blogspot.com/2008/10/drinking-beer-taxing-analogy.html
http://www.coedmagazine.com/news-ish/Getting-Out/Money-2/34542
http://www.goteamsgo.com/forum/general-discussion/71065-interesting-analogy-on-taxes.html
http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2518
http://community.babycenter.com/post/a1854885/a_tax_plan_analogy_kinda_politics
http://annielives.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/beer-analogies-and-taxes/
http://vnboards.ign.com/ac_friends/b5258/108647456/p1/
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977338733

I could add more, but I won't. My list is large enough to prove that you post blog spam.

I can think of several differences.
1. I'm not a drive-by poster
2. I include original text in my posts
3. I wasn't aware that the article was widely posted
4. It wasn't targeted against any political candidate

[BAmaracas]

I can think of several differences.
1. I'm not a drive-by poster
2. I include original text in my posts
3. I wasn't aware that the article was widely posted
4. It wasn't targeted against any political candidate

All you posted in the OP of that thread was:
Below is an e-mail that an associate of mine sent me explaining the US Tax Code in layman's terms.
Well at least you hinted that you were posting some bulk emailed junk from the internet of yesteryear.

How can you claim it wasn't political? You posted it in the political section.

[ArcticPhoenix]

http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo131/farkerpartyboy/nosocialest.jpg

Need I say any more?

[JPSartre12]

All you posted in the OP of that thread was:

Well at least you hinted that you were posting some bulk emailed junk from the internet of yesteryear.

No, I stated that I received it from an associate.
"Below is an e-mail that an associate of mine sent me explaining the US Tax Code in layman's terms."
Where does it say that it was a bulk e-mail from yesteryear?
Shakespeare once wrote "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." Don't get stuck in your own web. ;)

How can you claim it wasn't political? You posted it in the political section.

I said it wasn't targeted against any candidate. See above Shakespeare quote again.

[BAmaracas]

"Below is an e-mail that an associate of mine sent me explaining the US Tax Code in layman's terms."
Where does it say that it was a bulk e-mail from yesteryear?
So it's not a bulk e-mail from yesteryear? My ancient relatives always preface their fowarding of e-mails in the exact same fashion.
You did not ad anything other then hint at some nebulous source.



I said it wasn't targeted against any candidate.
I don't see a difference. It's still politics. It's still political spam.

[kingclick]

So it's not a bulk e-mail from yesteryear? My ancient relatives always preface their fowarding of e-mails in the exact same fashion.
You did not ad anything other then hint at some nebulous source.



I don't see a difference. It's still politics. It's still political spam.

Yesteryear was something my grandad would say when he went to the bathroom. I'll be back yesteryear.

[E Mutz]

Shakespeare once wrote "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive." Don't get stuck in your own web. ;)

I believe that was Sir Walter Scott, Author of Ivanhoe.

Shakespeare wrote

"Back up in your ass with the resurrection..."

No sorry, that was Geto Boys, often confused with Shakespeare in literary circles.


Shakespeare opined thus, with meaning for current events:

"The weight of this sad time we must obey;
Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say.
The oldest hath borne most: we that are young
Shall never see so much, nor live so long"
-- King Lear, Act IV sc III

[Pops In]

Gars auld claes look amaist as weel's the new ~ Robert Burns

[JPSartre12]

I believe that was Sir Walter Scott, Author of Ivanhoe.

I stand corrected. Thanks.

Shakespeare wrote

"Back up in your ass with the resurrection..."

No sorry, that was Geto Boys, often confused with Shakespeare in literary circles.


Shakespeare opined thus, with meaning for current events:

"The weight of this sad time we must obey;
Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say.
The oldest hath borne most: we that are young
Shall never see so much, nor live so long"
-- King Lear, Act IV sc III

Let's hope that we don't hear:
" But 'tis a common proof,
That lowliness is young ambition's ladder,
Whereto the climber-upward turns his face;
But, when he once attains the upmost round,
He then unto the ladder turns his back,
Looks in the clouds, scorning the base degrees
By which he did ascend."
Julius Caesar, Act II Scene 1

[shores]

McCain Is Just More of the Same As Bush

McCain: "There Was A Recent Study That Showed That I Voted With The President Over 90 Percent Of The Time." During an appearance on FOX's "Your World with Neil Cavuto," McCain said, "The president and I agree on most issues. There was a recent study that showed that I voted with the president over 90 percent of the time, higher than a lot of my even Republican colleagues."

Read more

http://www.justmoreofthesame.com

[JPSartre12]

McCain Is Just More of the Same As Bush

McCain: "There Was A Recent Study That Showed That I Voted With The President Over 90 Percent Of The Time." During an appearance on FOX's "Your World with Neil Cavuto," McCain said, "The president and I agree on most issues. There was a recent study that showed that I voted with the president over 90 percent of the time, higher than a lot of my even Republican colleagues."

Read more

http://www.justmoreofthesame.com

And Obama voted with his party >96% of the time. (and Congress has an approval rating that is 1/2 of GW's.) ;)

Here's a snapshot from last August.

August 16, 2007POLL: AP-Ipsos Bush, Congress, IraqBy Eric Dienstfrey

A new AP-Ipsos national survey (story, results) of 1,003 adults (conducted 8/6 through 8/8) finds:

35% of Americans approve of the job George Bush is doing as president; 62% disapprove.
25% approve of the way Congress is handling its job; 72% disapprove.
39% support the war in Iraq; 58% oppose it.


And May 2008,

Congress' Approval Rating Ties Lowest in Gallup Records
Bush approval remains near record low
USA Congress Job Approval Presidential Job Approval Americas Northern America by Lydia Saad
PRINCETON, NJ -- Approval of Congress has dipped below 20% for only the fourth time in the 34 years Gallup has asked Americans to rate the job Congress is doing. Today's 18% score, based on a May 8-11 Gallup Poll, matches the record lows Gallup recorded in August 2007 and March 1992.
....
Bottom Line

Americans' ratings of Congress are almost always lower than their ratings of the sitting president. With Bush in a period of extremely low approval, and both houses of Congress controlled by the Democratic Party, one might expect that gap to be closer today. And, in fact, it was for a short period after the Democrats first returned to power in Congress at the start of 2007. However, that honeymoon quickly ended (about last August) and since then, Congress has lagged behind the president in approval.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107242/congress-approval-rating-ties-lowest-gallup-records.aspx


Come back, troll!

[Pops In]

And Obama voted with his party >96% of the time. (and Congress has an approval rating that is 1/2 of GW's.) ;)

Come back, troll! Oh dear. Flaming in giant letters.

[JPSartre12]

Oh dear. Flaming in giant letters.

You replied while I was editting. next time, don't be so damned quick on the trigger. ;)