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ArcticPhoenix
12-08-2007, 04:36 PM
Sad (http://blog.wired.com/music/2007/12/us-department-o.html)

The Department of Justice says the jury's $222K damage assessment in the RIAA lawsuit against Jammie Thomas is constitutional, in what appears to be a fairly serious blow to American file sharing defendants [updated in light of comment].

Thomas had been found guilty of sharing 24 songs on the Kazaa file sharing network -- an average of $9,250 per song. She and her lawyer argued that the damages were unconstitutional, given that those 24 songs would have cost only $23.76 on iTunes.

According to Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Bucholtz, the damages are not "so severe and oppressive as to be wholly disproportioned to the offense."

The next logical question is, "well then, what level of damages would be proportioned to the offense?" Bucholtz claims to be stumped. In his brief, he writes, "it is impossible to calculate the damages caused by a single infringement, particularly for infringement that occurs over the internet."

So the damages are impossible to calculate -- nonetheless, they were calculated to be $9,250 per song.

Part of the $221,976.24 discrepancy between what Jammie Thomas could have paid for the songs and what she now owes for downloading and sharing them is due to the idea that if enough people hear about the high damage amount, they'll be less likely to download and share files online. Bucholtz claims that the Copyright Act requires the damages not only to compensate record labels for lost sales, but also to serve a "deterrent purpose" by discouraging file sharing by non-defendants.

Some experts, including one we talked to, predicted that the fee would be struck down as unconstitutional, but apparently it will stand, and future RIAA lawsuit defendants could face similar fees unless something changes.

Sad tag bawled its eyes out and drowned the asinine tag in its mourning.

kingclick
12-08-2007, 04:41 PM
The DOJ is NOT the Supreme Court.

ArcticPhoenix
12-08-2007, 04:42 PM
The DOJ is NOT the Supreme Court.

While this is true, I find it hard to believe that the Department of Justice and the Supreme Court would be at odds over many legal issues.

kingclick
12-08-2007, 04:54 PM
While this is true, I find it hard to believe that the Department of Justice and the Supreme Court would be at odds over many legal issues.

One would be enough. I cannot view the DOJ as the authority to say that something is or isn't constitutional. That is the Supreme Courts authority.

ArcticPhoenix
12-08-2007, 05:39 PM
One would be enough. I cannot view the DOJ as the authority to say that something is or isn't constitutional. That is the Supreme Courts authority.

Point understood and valid. However, it still doesn't bode well for victims of RIAA's warpath.

kingclick
12-08-2007, 07:13 PM
Point understood and valid. However, it still doesn't bode well for victims of RIAA's warpath.

Well hopefully this girl will take it "all the way" and get her case fixed by an appropriate authority.

ArcticPhoenix
12-08-2007, 07:59 PM
Well hopefully this girl will take it "all the way" and get her case fixed by an appropriate authority.

I certainly hope so. Maybe there's some semblance of sanity left in our Government. Surely I'm not the only one left that has a little bit of common sense.

JPSartre12
12-08-2007, 08:17 PM
I certainly hope so. Maybe there's some semblance of sanity left in our Government. Surely I'm not the only one left that has a little bit of common sense.

If you're going to steal my words to use in your sigline, at least give proper attribution.
http://www.theconversationcafe.com/forums/showpost.php?p=389685&postcount=12

ArcticPhoenix
12-08-2007, 08:51 PM
If you're going to steal my words to use in your sigline, at least give proper attribution.
http://www.theconversationcafe.com/forums/showpost.php?p=389685&postcount=12

I'll write you a check. :P

JPSartre12
12-09-2007, 10:01 AM
I'll write you a check. :P

I prefer Western Union moneygrams when dealing with shady characters like you. ;)

Hawkyfan99
12-10-2007, 06:54 AM
I don't know that I think that $7k/song is reasonable, but I can see how they got there. If, for every track, it was downloaded 10 times from HER computer...then it was downloaded 10 times from each other computer, that would obviously escalate extremely quickly.

What's sad, is that this whole thing is primarily because of the RIAA's refusal to recognized that things have changed and that they should be changing how they do business.

Jokimoto
12-10-2007, 04:56 PM
Ah, but, there's no way of knowing how much of the song she delivered to any one person at any given time. She may have only given up a portion of the song, with the person who downloaded from her also connecting to several others for the same material.
All of which just goes to say that she was an idiot for using a P2P app w/out protection. There are plenty of ways to accomplish what she did w/out even her ISP knowing what info she was transmitting/receiving. Poor, poor unknowledgable kid. So sad. 10 minutes on Wiki and she could've been all set.

Pops In
12-10-2007, 05:41 PM
I prefer Western Union moneygrams when dealing with shady characters like you. ;)Sue the bugger!

Hawkyfan99
12-11-2007, 06:30 AM
Ah, but, there's no way of knowing how much of the song she delivered to any one person at any given time. She may have only given up a portion of the song, with the person who downloaded from her also connecting to several others for the same material.
All of which just goes to say that she was an idiot for using a P2P app w/out protection. There are plenty of ways to accomplish what she did w/out even her ISP knowing what info she was transmitting/receiving. Poor, poor unknowledgable kid. So sad. 10 minutes on Wiki and she could've been all set.

Which would indicate willful disobedience of the law, and decimate any shred of compassion that she may have had in the event that she still got busted.

Fact of the matter is, she did illegally distribute copyrighted works. It IS against the law. I don't think that there's any question about that. The question is whether or not the damages were reasonable.

jitobear
12-11-2007, 08:48 AM
I support copy right laws and believe artists should be protected - but this is ridiculous. They aren't just going to scare folks from sharing - they might scare away consumers, too. I listen to less and less mainstream shit. I can't remember the last time I turned on the radio. I stick with my iPod, don't share and pay for my music. I also listen to a lot local artists - and they tend to be thrilled when you pass their music on.