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Peanut
02-15-2005, 08:19 AM
Feb 14, 10:36 AM EST
Southern Diet Frustrates Health Officials
By DANIEL YEE
Associated Press Writer

DECATUR, Ga. (AP) -- Amid a national obesity epidemic and the South's infamous distinction as the "Stroke Belt," health officials have been trying to get diners to flinch, at least a little, at the region's trademark fried and fatty foods.

But nutritionists have found it's hard to teach an old region new tricks. How can Southerners give up delicious staples fried chicken, fried seafood, fried green tomatoes and cornbread slathered in butter?

Even at the Atlanta headquarters of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the leader of the nation's anti-obesity campaign, the cafeteria serves up such artery-clogging regional favorites as biscuits and gravy.

CDC nutritionist Annie Carr said the agency is working to get its house in order by pushing the cafeteria to serve popular foods in healthy ways. The broader goals of the anti-obesity campaign are to educate people to cook with less fat and sugar and to promote the idea of eating five servings of fruits and vegetables a day.

And for the South, that doesn't mean vegetables and greens flavored with bacon and meat drippings.

"I don't think anything is wrong with the kind of vegetables we eat in the South - it's the way they are prepared," said former Surgeon General Dr. David Satcher, the interim president of the Morehouse School of Medicine in Atlanta, who grew up eating traditional Southern staples on a farm in Alabama. "We need more fruits and vegetables in our diet."

When Becky Cleaveland is out with her girlfriends, they all pick at salads except for the petite Atlanta woman. She tackles "The Hamdog."

The dish, a specialty of Mulligan's, a suburban bar, is a hot dog wrapped by a beef patty that's deep fried, covered with chili, cheese and onions and served on a hoagie bun. Oh yeah, it's also topped with a fried egg and two fistfuls of fries.

"The owner says I'm the only girl who can eat a whole one without flinching," Cleaveland said proudly.

Health officials' concerns with healthy eating in the South date back to 1962, when the CDC noted a large concentration of counties with high stroke death rates in the coastal states of North and South Carolina and Georgia. More than three decades later, the high stroke rates in that region seem to have shifted west to counties along the Mississippi River Delta.

Health officials have spent thousands of dollars on grants to promote healthy eating, including sending nutritionists into community centers and churches. The food experts introduce healthier cooking practices, such as alternatives to frying and methods that reduce the fat in gravy and sauces. But those efforts have found resistance from some cooks who say the healthier recipes alter the taste of their dishes.

"Flavor is a big issue - when you modify Southern cooking, then you lose a lot of the flavor," said Laurita Burley, a clinical nutrition instructor at the Morehouse School of Medicine. "The reputation of the Southern cook is at risk when you begin to modify it."

Much of the South's traditional foods date back to the days of slavery. Frying was preferable in the region's hot climate, since it didn't take as long as baking and didn't heat up a house as much. Plus, Burley said, workers didn't have all day to prepare meals; they had to get back into the fields to work. Lard was also plentiful. Today, frying still is popular, especially in poor areas of the South, because it is also inexpensive.

While it's quick, easy and adds flavor, frying loads ordinarily healthy foods with calories and fat.

"One of the common things in the South is that you fry everything," said Dr. Nicholas Lang, chief of staff of the Central Arkansas Veterans Healthcare System in Little Rock. "It's a major grease-transport mechanism - there's no idea how much calories you get when you get that."

Other research has found that frying, grilling and smoking certain foods can cause chemical reactions within the food that can increase the risk of cancer.

"The best advice is to fry less and to eat their meat medium rather than well-done - and do like their momma said and add vegetables," said Lang, also a professor of surgery at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences.

Back at Mulligan's in Decatur, owner Chandler Goff is quick to point out that the bar also offers healthy alternatives, such as salads and sandwiches that aren't deep-fried.

But he acknowledged that the "Hamdog" and the "Luther Burger," a bacon-cheeseburger served on a Krispy Kreme doughnut bun, are what draw attention.

As for Cleaveland, she says she doesn't think about cholesterol. "I probably should, but I do not. I'm only 25, maybe later." For now, she's able to maintain her 5-foot-7, 115-pound physique without regular exercise.

Regardless of age, Lang doesn't recommend the Hamdog, even as a one-time snack.

"If you choke that down, you might as well find a heart surgeon because you are going to need one."
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See Thread title for the debate topic, y'all... :smooch:

kingclick
02-15-2005, 11:51 AM
Stereotype?

Book Wizard
02-15-2005, 01:24 PM
Having lived in the Deep South for longer than I care to thnk about, it is a valid geographical dietary issue. And it all does taste wonderful. They need to find a way to duplicate the flavor and cut down on the fat because most folks aren't going to give up the foods that are dear to them.

Peanut
02-15-2005, 04:37 PM
From personal experience, I can say it is both stereotype AND a valid geographical dietary issue.

My husband is a die-hard NC man and the way his mother cooks would give a pig a coronary. In her home, a vegetable isn't a vegetable unless it has some form of pork or pork fat in it. :huh: My husband couldn't understand why I refused to even consider keeping a "drippings can" near our stovetop when we were first setting up house.

Over the past few years, he has come around to "my way" of cooking and has even learned to enjoy vegetables that ~WOW!~ actually taste like vegetables and not meat by-products. Although my FIL and MIL are aging and starting to show the deficits of such a long-term diet, they will attempt to modify their eating habits for a short while after seeing the doctor after their annual check ups, but quickly fall back upon old eating habits once the shock wears off, and rely upon the magic of medication to lower cholesteaol, blood pressure, etc. etc., without making any long-term effort at changing the root causes. "It just doesn't taste right". :headscrat

Here in our home, slowly but surely, I am changing things with my husband and the only real downfall comes when he fends for himself at lunchtime on the weekends or eats out while at work. I am still working on the fried-foods issue, though, and on convincing him that potato chips do NOT count as a veggie. :rofll: I considered it a huge step backwards the year (2003?) he bought me a deep fat fryer as a Christmas gift, simply "because his Momma always had one", although I have always been adament that I did NOT want one!

I must say it was pretty hilarious the first time his mother came to visit us and was astounded to learn "her little boy" actually ate peas when I cooked them. Turns out he likes the taste of PEAS, he just doesn't like the taste of the stale ham ends and fatback she always cooked them with!

kingclick
02-15-2005, 04:49 PM
I still don't understand the "stereotype" part of this debate.

As for a "drippings can" we have one of those too! But our "drippings can" is a one way thing. It goes in but never comes back out.

And a deep fryer is still good to have around! Egg Rolls are best when deep fried.

justGina
02-15-2005, 04:51 PM
i am so hungry now. :howling:

my lunch today consisted of goldfish crackers, applesauce, and Coke, LOL.

I have got to get off the darn Coke!

Peanut
02-15-2005, 04:58 PM
I still don't understand the "stereotype" part of this debate.

As for a "drippings can" we have one of those too! But our "drippings can" is a one way thing. It goes in but never comes back out.

And a deep fryer is still good to have around! Egg Rolls are best when deep fried.

Many Southerners will defend themselves by claiming the "Stroke Belt" method of cooking is merely a stereotype.

My MIL uses the drippings from her drippings can to season her veggies, Kingclick. Personally, this concept repulses me and I told my husband so, in as many words.

Egg rolls and french fries, once in a blue moon, are two of the rare uses my fryer sees, and it is normally filled with 50/50 Canola and olive oil...expensive, yes, but much healthier in the long run.

mom2burgess
02-15-2005, 05:00 PM
I just wanted to add an EEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWW For the hamdog. People EAT that??

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mommymushbrain
02-15-2005, 05:24 PM
My favorite is to take my homegrown zucchini and FRY IT! :D Same with squash and okra.

Mmmmm... I think I am going to make cornbread tonight, since it was mentioned in the article.

Anyways, yes it is a geographical thing. Just like any food, it's all about moderation.

Lynaka
02-18-2005, 05:58 PM
I'm not trying to offend, but some of the 'stereotyped' cooking methods in the South seems to translate to a stereotype of all American cuisine in this Canadian's eyes.

When I think of American food I think of the many, many more foods made from packages and mixes that you tend to have compared to up here (was bowled over by the numbers when I lived in Davis, CA for a year). The huge portion sizes at restaurants. And the current ad for the new Hungry Man Sports Grill frozen dinners that proudly claims to contain ONE POUND of fried food without a veggie in sight.

I wonder what conditions actually lead to a geographical need to deep fry everything?

OnederWoman
02-18-2005, 06:08 PM
We Spanish folk fry everything and use bacon grease as well. Pinto beans seasoned with bacon grease are dee-lish. Throw some cheese and green chile into the mix, with a sopapilla, and yum-city.

However, when I do fry, I fry in olive oil, does that count for something?? lol

I've learned to make dishes other than New Mexican food, so we're not slurping down grease pops everynight. But more often than not, some part of our meal is fried.

Dandi
02-19-2005, 10:50 AM
As a Southerner, I think any attempt to "guilt" or "scare" people down here to change their eating habits is a waste of time.

The food tastes great and who wants to live forever anyway?